tonight. and i have the highest level of confidence that they're doing everything possible to make sure we're peaceful here in phoenix. >> you feel like if he has pardoned -- announced he was going to pardon sheriff arpaio in phoenix tonight, that would have been potentially incendiary? >> there is no doubt about it. the singular purpose would have been to inflame passion to pardon sheriff arpaio, who internationally is a cartoon character. but here locally it's possible. he terrorized the lives of so many latino residents. they couldn't go to school or work without fear of facing criminal sanctions for literally doing nothing. he faced a crime, a civil rights trial that he lost. and he was found to be in criminal contempt. so our sheriff has been criminally convicted. and for the president to do that at a campaign rally in front of 10,000 people would -- the only purpose would have been to