standing up to the president. >> i mean, mccain was pretty sharp in a critique of a lot of what donald trump stands for. and, you know, political arguments. does this go beyond a political argument, mary catherine? >> you're right that mccain doesn't care and, frankly, once someone calls you an unsatisfactory p.o.w., you can say whatever you want after that. but look, i do think there's a part of his speech where he talked about it being unpatriotic to ascribe to this half-baked nationalism, as he called it. i'm probably closer to mccain than to trump. but there's a whole part of this country including democrats who crossed over to vote for trump who are on board with that because of the failures of the interventionism of the past which mccain is in support of. i think there is a political dynamic there he should be aware of. he's in arizona and running again anyway. but this is a dynamic that he is sort of ignoring. and i think using the word
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