was pleased with it. she also met with vice president pence. it does seem like vice president pence is the one wlof gone to doe very and the two families today have had a tremendous impact on them. >> the one thing we're critiquing something is how the white house is handling something that trump didn't have to handle. there is a part of this where, if you like what he did -- but i think he's learning right, he's a new president. maybe one over the thing to have out of this is on this kind of question we give the president the benefit of the doubt to improve. no matter what you say to some families it's going to be per receivered in a way and you've got to be able to say -- >> his son is a marine, he's got cultural competent. he deals with this on a daily