and i would also ask you don't confuse your need for accurate information with our ability to provide it immediately in a situation like this. >> so as a lay person watching, you know, americans question everything, it's part of being an american. listen, so i don't understand. maybe he meant something else. didn't question about that -- no one is questioning the dwoeevot or patriotism of these troops, but people want to know what happened and no one more so than the family members of those who died. >> and secretary mattis is exactly right. he wasn't there, i wasn't there on that fateful day, but i'm completely confident those troops on the ground conducted themselves with honor. until we see anything to contrast that, that's my truth. but i do believe that the secretary probably feels like there has been -- maybe it's