really about what's good for the country, how do we move the country forward. is this any way, shape or form beneficial to this family who is suffering? whether or not you think you were right, okay, that's not the point. he doesn't grasp that. he never has. every fight we've seen him in whether it's charlottesville, whether it's with the kahn family. this is who he is and unfortunately that is a significant break from what the way in which every president traveled the path of the presidency before him. >> give us a quick button, ron. >> and to that point, i really wonder if the same message delivered from general kelly with his experience and the life that he has lived would have been received very differently from donald trump given the message from president trump given everything that chris said, the backdrop to it and the life that he has lived. it's possible almost the same words might have been received very differently.