have had music and dancing and people eating with their hands and very -- a lot of informality. >> ken: a bunch of these berkeley students, kinda hippies, you know, it was a place for like, poetry readings. it was a coffee house, you know? there were no chefs involved early on. alice was -- her boyfriend was a film guy. and, you know, she'd been to france a couple of times. >> ruth: she had had this epiphany. she had been to france. she had eaten in all these little bistros. she had fallen in love with the food. basically, it was just, "i want to make this little restaurant for my friends." >> john: she was not a scholar of cooking in the way jeremiah was. i mean, jeremiah used to love reading ancient cookbooks and treatises on food. alice was more of an instinctual cook. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> james: i don't think those people knew what they were