>> it has to be a lot of fun and that's why we always have music and dancing and people eating with their hands. very -- a lot of informality. >> a bunch of these berkeley students kind of hippies. it was a place for -- it was a coffee house. there were no chefs involved early on. alice, her boyfriend was a film guy. shee she'd been to france a couple times. >> she had this epiphany, she'd been to france, fallen in love with the food. basically i want to make this little restaurant with my friends. >> she was not a scholar in cooking the way jeremiah was. jeremiah used to love reading