investigation as far as i know, and saying to the justice department that he controls that he wants to see this woman in jail. we have never seen that in american history. except perhaps in the alien sedition acts under john adams. that is how far back you have to go back to see -- to see a president abusing his power over the criminal justice system. and i -- carl goes farther than i do in terms of how -- how bad donald trump is. but i think that indicates a level of panic that is really extraordinary. >> donald trump has had a real sense of where a big part of this country is. so i don't den grate him in that sense. he's had a better sense of where the part of the country is in terms of his base than his opponents have. but i'm talking about his conduct. >> we have to take a break. we appreciate it. coming up, why today's book excerpts have put steve bannon on the list of people that the senate intelligence committee
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