the other donald trump. there's a little bit of dr. jekyll and mr. hyde quality. >> i think the thing is yesterday -- i had a different take on that. i thought the transparency part of yesterday, david, and i don't know if you agree, i thought it was great that he sat there for so long and allowed the cameras to be there. what it also showed was that he didn't have a grasp on policy. and i don't necessarily, i didn't think that it felt like he was in control of that meeting. >> no, don, he wasn't. i like what michael said, "almost statesmanlike," a great book title for someone. the president in his adult life, in his late 50s, he flipfl flip-floodplained e-- flip-flo on abortion, health care, the iraq war. he's gone back and forth when it comes to the daca issue, immigration, and the package together with the wall -- >> david, it hasn't hurt him,