lawyers were not telling the truth either. their lawyers went forward on television and said, oh, no, donald trump jr. wrote this thing and it was donald trump jr.'s lawyers. that wasn't true. >> let me say this. for two years, nearly, all we've heard is collusion, collusion, collusion, there's nothing to it. and i think that this is just "the new york times" is trying to distract what's going to happen probably in the next couple of days, is releasing the memos, which are going to show some real abuses of citizen -- >> you think this is a plot by "the new york times" -- you honestly think this is a plot by "the new york times" to distract attention? you think they're not reporting on the nunes memos? that they're like keeping that hidden? >> anderson, i may have a little bit of a republican paranoia in he here, in me, but when you see 75% of independent voters apr e approve of what the president said last night, i could have told you a year ago that the new york times was going to write something like that. >> jeff, you sound desperate, man. for normal people who don't believe in like conspiracy