>> it may be, but it's a fact. >> it's not a fact. peter navarro has scads of credentials. general kelly is highly -- >> for every peter navarro, you have omarosa. for every john kelly, you have a scaramucci. >> that's true of every administration. >> you talked about how you trust john kelly. guess who doesn't trust john kelly? donald trump doesn't trust john kelly. >> i don't agree with that. that's what the leaks say. that's not true. if he didn't trust john kelly, he wouldn't be there. >> who knows how long he's going to be there? he could of -- he could have been fired by now. >> people have been talking about him leaving for months. you've all got to settle down and understand that you can't believe everything you read in these leaks that come out of the white house. >> alice? >> we all knew that the president ran his business with crisis management. we all knew he ran a campaign on chaos. we all knew the administration was going to be an administration of chaos. today he flat out admitted, i like conflict. i like this. but he says there's no chaos. there's chaos there. that being said, the average person across america, i know republican voters.