took office his approval rating was 40%. after everything that's happened -- >> still there. >> -- it's exact -- so why would pardon doning michael cohen affect his numbers. >> you know what his rationale is? it's the same one as not talking to robert mueller, i'm not going to do it. michael cohen, this is my guy. i know him. i know what he's done. he's a goodman. he's not like these drug addicts that you are talking to. oh, by the way i care a lot about addiction which is a real problem for the president. >> referring to former staffers. >> you will never help on that issue if you play into the stigma about people who are addicted so -- >> right. >> he's flooded the zone with so much nonsense that he's escaping on that right now, but you could pardon michael cohen today and say it's a witch hunt. i can protect somebody from your witch hunt. i'm doing it today. why doesn't he? what does that say about his true conviction and loyalty to michael cohen if he won't pardon him? >> i won't say that decision