litigation strategy. if not, no, there was no strategy behind it. what he did is give more exposure to the president of the united states. remember, if it was a loan, it was still an excessive campaign contribution that needed to be reported to the election commission. if he repaid it, that would also be part of the reporting requirements. if this was not part of the reporting requirements, why would this not be reporting finance laws. all you would have to do is say give me a loan i'll pay it back after the end of the election. no one has to be wiser about this and we'll circumvent everything. they still had reporting requirements. and rudy giuliani's comment that this money was funneled, that's the word he used, funneled through a law firm indicates that maybe it was willful and intentional, which now seems more like a criminal violation than an fec violation. >> he maintains all along it's not a campaign violation. but jack, you say giuliani doesn't understand the law. why do you say that? >> he doesn't understand the