denuclearize is. >> but the realize is we know this is a sound bite kupture, not just here in the united states but globally they hear and the reality is you will get defensive when you know people were brutally killed. >> and one of the issues, amanda, is when you are kim jong-un and i know it is tough for us to identify with kim jong-un, but when you are kim jong-un and look at libya and qadhafi and think he gave away his arms and look at what happened. he got ripped apart by his own people and his country is a hell hole and then you look at iran, president trump walked away from a nuclear agreement. again, i'm not trying to identify from kim jong-un but from their perspective to try to be fair, maybe the united states, if they want the summit to happen, needs to be more careful. >> don't we as americans also need to know what we're getting into. >> sure. >> the north korean perspective is important and that is playing out. but i want to know what we're getting out of the deal. but what worries me i don't think the trump administration is in control of events. it seems the north koreans are dictating the terms of the agreement in this meeting right