think the potential for the risk of conflict goes up. >> what would you say to people, like the president -- one of his tweets and certainly supporters said, look, nobody else was able to this. i'm not sure what the do this is. he did it. he met with kim jong-un. he has broken the ice. he has gotten a process going. the establishment doesn't get it. >> certainly, it's the first head of state meeting between two sitting heads of state of north korea and the united states. that is, in fact, unprecedented. if it leads to a verifiable, irreversible, commitment to complete denuclearization, that is then verified and validated as having been fully implemented, then donald trump truly will have done something that hasn't been done before. thus far, what he has accomplished in substance, apart from the fact of the meeting, is a very vague statement that