do for people on the other side like farmers. soybean farmer, producers. he said they are confident that the president will have their back. maybe some other type of government funding to help them out with price supports, but the reality is this is getting closer and choser the a trade war. even though they want to call it a dispute. >> all right. of course as we all know, there's no winner in a trade war. i mean, jeff, the white house is is saying, the white house chief of staff is leaving, we've within watbeen wahoffing so many. there's been a break in that. how big of a deal is this one zm squl. >> it's a big deal in the sense of joe is is someone who has years of experience working under white houses. particularly the bush white house. would sometimes put him as odd, but he knows what he's doing. and without joe, that singapore summit we saw last week, likely would not have come off. he's a master of pulling off big events like that. through working with other governments.