people in the world. we don't want people that are b level, c level, d level. we're going to use our smartest and our best. we're not using political hacks anymore. it's a sophisticated chess match, but i have the best people lined up. you need people that are truly, truly capable. we have to get the best people. >> joining us now, one of our own best people, former obama senior adviser, david axelrod, host of the ax files on cnn. david, what does it say about this administration and this president that it took this long, this many scandals, 14 investigations before pruitt resigned? >> well, it says that ethics aren't a big deal here and that should not be a surprise because everything flows from the top. and when you have a president who has basically given the back of his hand to people who have asked to see his tax returns, when you have his children on the white house staff making $78 million on the side and so on. i mean the message is very