the perpetratorings are the adults, whether parents or not, the adults who have made a willful decision to trespass, to break and enter into the united states illegally. when they do so with children, they are quite frankly abusing the children whether they're their own choir or not. the burden of proof is on them. if you don't break and enter the united states, you will not be separate fred your children. i don't now hoe to say it more emphatically. the way to keep your family together is don't break and enter into our country. >> wesley, has there not been enough focus on that aspect, if these parents had not attempted to get in illegally, i think they would not have been separated. >> though i will say as a reporter, as urinal journalist, the burden of proof is on the people who have taken the children away, to make sure they