influence the president's thinking even if it's only behind doors? >> well, look, the evident is good enough, you don't get better intelligence than the mueller investigation and the national security establish system in full revolt against the president. there's entirely different messages and they'll just stand up for the facts, every one of them from the fbi to the cia, everybody else so i've never seen, frankly, a revolt like this inside the federal government against a president. it's never occurred. >> will it be effective? just to piggyback on that, do you believe it will be effective? will they be able to hold their jobs? can they band together and make sure this remains a top security priority in this country as we were told it would be yesterday. >> when you have to president's national security adviser, recently appointed, bolton, coming out and saying this is not a hoax, he'd have to fire