saying that. >> how is he a good witness for president if he is saying that the president was asking him, directing him in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was -- >> comey says -- >> so in case you missed that, because the cross talk, mr. giuliani said, quote, what he said to him was, can you give me a break, which is of course the exact thing he denied saying to jake. not to be deterred, mr. giuliani took another crack at it this morning. >> what he was saying is perfectly justifiable. he didn't say you must, you have to, i'll fire you if you don't. he said consider it. number three, he never said it. lawyers talk like this all day. we call it arguing the alternative. >> so let's start to unpack all of that. i'm joined by alan dershowitz, the author of the book the case against impeaching trump and jeffrey toobin, who once study under professor dershowitz. jeff, the idea that giuliani floated that the conversation never took place, is this some