about michael flynn. the president didn't find out that comey believed there was until about i think it was february when it supposedly took place. >> but mr. mayor, you told abc news last month that president told comey, quote, can you give him a break. how your saying -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. i never said that. >> crazy. he never said that, he says. but here he is, july 8th on abc saying that. >> how is he a good witness for president if he is saying that the president was asking him, directing him in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was -- >> comey says -- >> so in case you missed that, because the cross talk, mr. giuliani said, quote, what he said to him was, can you give me a break, which is of course the exact thing he denied saying to jake. not to be deterred, mr. giuliani took another crack at it this morning. >> what he was saying is perfectly justifiable. he didn't say you must, you have to, i'll fire you if you don't. he said consider it. number three, he never said it. lawyers talk like this all day. we call it arguing the alternative.