and you ask these good folks who offer you advice. >> the recording by jim sciutto that the president did not consult with the current director of national intelligence, dan coats on this, does that surprise you? i mean is that -- if this really is a legitimate review based on national security issues, is he somebody who could be kind of looped in? >> let me give you an odd answer, anderson. it shocked me and did not surprise me. it shocked me that this would be done without any sense of process, but it did not surprise me because frankly, i -- i don't want to imply anything with the current leadership, but frankly, i can't imagine senator coats or director haskell or any of the other leaders signing on to this for cause, saying this is a good idea because. so i'm not surprised at all that they weren't consulted. i'm shocked that the white house thought it was okay not to