david gergen and carl bernstein. maggie, you just heard michael hayden say this isn't going to change anything that he says about the president. clapper has said the same thing. how likely is it, do you think, that the president will do to them what he did to john bren n brennan? >> i think it's a possibility he'll continue to hang over people's heads, including people that don't have their clearance anymore. again, i mentioned the keystone cops a speck of this in the previous block which clouds this issue. but it is aimed at trying. it is supposed to be an anvil hanging over people's heads. i might do this, i might not, so you are should just be careful. since only i, the president know where this line is and there is no process, if you cross it, i will know. so you should be afraid of that. paul ryan, when the president first started this about the clearances a couple of weeks ago, the house speaker said that he thought the president was, and i quote, trolling people with this, in other words, trying to provoke a reaction. wasn't really serious. as we know over and over, what donald trump says gets dismissed as that's just how he talks or