things, of course, that he's got the people who defeated him for the presidency speaking at those were both tough races, not easy, how did that come about? >> he wanted to send the message, we have more in common than disagreements. >> were you surprised? >> no, this is how he's lived his entire life. when you tangle with john mccain wlits on the campaign or the legislative floor, it doesn't mean he doesn't like you, he wants to get something around, when a conflict occurs, he'll say, wow, wasn't that a great battle? let's do it again tomorrow. that's the way washington has been for many, many decades, it's only until recently that we hold a judge and don't see the country's interests should be put ahead of our own.