joking specifically. i think that question is still out there, given the "new york times" report, given what laura just reported. it would be nice per jim's point if all of this information wasn't coming from anonymous sources. >> what he said in his comment earlier today, he didn't advocate for that. he is using lawyer words, didn't advocate. that doesn't mean he didn't say it. >> exactly. >> i agree, right. there's a difference obviously. i think you're right between saying look everybody in the conference room, maybe i should wear a wire versus ha ha, should i wear a wire. those are two different things. to jim's point, if you're at a senior level meeting in a conference room at the doj with all doj and fbi, that's the kind of thing he as number two at doj expects is going to come out. as a journalist, obviously we need to report this.