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mackenzie, he's talking to the law firm of barnum and bailey. there's no legal foundation. for those of us who teach the constitution, the 14th amendment is 150 years old and that part of the constitution is sacrosanct unless two-thirds of the house, two-thirds of the senate, and 38 states vote to change it. it's a crack pot theory. believe it or not we're both agreeing on the same thing. >> maybe this is the president's approach of saying, hey, senators, members of congress, this is what i would like to happen, so that they can, so that there is that two-thirds majority in both houses to make it happen, richard? >> it's not going to happen, fred. there's an election on tuesday and things will be substantially different after this election. he can say what he wants to happen. it's not going to happen. and interestingly, this president is so obsessed with

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