people like jim mattis, jeff buchanan. by the time it gets down to the individual soldier, they're not worried about the politics. they have a mission, they have a clear focus. and i think they leave the noise up here in washington, d.c. behind them. >> quite a bit of noise it is. jonathan, on the asylum issue, here's what folks -- what you hear from folks who support the president's policy move. enter the country legally and ask for asylum, sure. come in illegally, why then should they get special treatment? what do you say? >> because asylum is not a benefit. asylum is a protection. it is a fundamental human right. and it is a concept that this country envisioned after world war ii. these laws that i practice, refugee and asylum law, are literally the legal legacy that was left behind by the generation that we called the greatest generation. that saw the atrocities of world war ii, came home from that war, and established these laws as the line in the sand on this