though? honestly, jim, is that the way you would like to see him spending this thanksgiving week? >> look, i think there are times when this president needs to defend himself. he needs to defend his policies because he's -- and he needs to get his voice directly to the american people. and that's what he does. from time to time, does he do it somewhat aggressively, somewhat inartfully? and sometimes i don't agree with the manner in which he does it? sure. but i think he needs to be out there defending his policies, talking about the good things this administration has accomplished and defending himself in an environment where he is under attack. >> bakari, i want to give you the last word and focus on the judiciary if i can quickly. have you seen any evidence in elections that democrats will come out and vote on the issue of judges? we've seen a lot of evidence eviden that republicans will. >> i think after the cavity gnaw hearin -- kavanaugh hearings, gorsuch. barack obama made the issue of