because of the power of the fossil fuel industry, is really the most infuriating thing that you can imagine. the biggest deception of at least in my lifetime is this idea spread for years by the oil industry that maybe climate change wasn't real, so we didn't need to take it seriously. >> yeah, that was my next question, about who holds the blame. the fossil fuel industry which covered it up, or governments that didn't respond or didn't have the zeal to go around that. so here we are -- go ahead. >> they're the same thing, you know. in too many cases, look at our own government in the united states where the fossil fuel industry holds enormous sway. look at russia or saudi arabia that are, in essence, petro states. look at canada and australia that keep digging coal and digging up tar sands, even though science has told them we