together and say does this amount to something that should put us down a path of impeachment. >> i want to ask you because all the armchair legal analysts and investigators hearsay, look, no jail time is the recommendation for michael flynn, so he must have given them something he wanted. he must be providing something of value in order to get that trade. is it that simple? >> it is that simple in the sense they used the word substantial. this is someone providing substantial cooperation to the government. one thing that's interesting and what chris was saying about bridging this divide between the transition and the actual presidency is so key because if you look at this court filing one point that is made is that michael flynn was the only person of great import that was able to provide information to the prosecutors in their investigation. the reason why that's important is because in any case you are trying to make that calculus, when do i treat someone as a witness, when do i treat them as a subject. this tells me that michael flynn