they deal with a lot of that. they pick up on it and they do not really appreciate people making them work for it. you know? because they're so good at it, if you make them work, you pay. and he's going to pay. >> that's exactly right, chris. i would add one other thing, though. the southern district also does national security cases. this is not just about financial crimes. this is about a president who said i have no dealings with russia for years, including during on the campaign trail. and low and behold it turns out they had dealings every day. >> why lie? that is the question. >> they keep on lying about it. >> why lie? if it doesn't matter -- there are two reasons you lie. one is because it does matter. the other is i lie to you because i don't want to give you anything. it's one of those two things, mike. >> you're 100% right, chris. once you lie and the russians know you lie, you are a huge