he was in on that. he says his lies to congress were deliberate and premeditated. i find it incredibly hard to believe he would prepare a written statement in front of congress without trump being in on that. >> the fact that the trump organization -- >> you have a national security adviser, a foreign policy adviser all having contacts with russia, and the president doesn't know anything about it? it doesn't fit in with what we know to be true about him in a lot of other contexts. i think at some point we start to need to use our deductive logic skills and not just pretend that everything that you can see only not redacted is what is the only facts we know. >> that's true. and there is more to come. jim, the final word. >> we're going to know very, very soon, i would think, when the mueller report as it relates to collusion as to what they found, you know, in connection with any of the president's activities. we're also going to hear a lot about what happened during that campaign cycle.