who is in this precarious situation. but i do think it is worth noting, this is a very hard job, chief of staff, this is a really difficult job, and barack obama went through five chiefs of staffs during the eight years and george w. bush went through only two chiefs of staff in the entire eight years, and now president trump has been through two chiefs of staff as well. take a look at what president trump said in 2012 about obama's turnovers with chief of staff, this is a direct quote here from then businessman donald trump in 2012, saying three chiefs of staff, in less than three years, of being president, that's part of the reason why barack obama can't manage to pass his agenda. obviously, at the end of two years, now president trump will have three chiefs of staff. >> yeah, and so, you know, lynn, is it, i mean is it a big demerit? is it something, you know, negative for a white house to go through several chiefs of staff? or given it is a very prestigious position, and there is burnout, this is a tough