trying to have dr -- fighting b man-splaining meeting after meeting. >> you're reading ahead in the textbook because we're going to talk about that later. you remember the commercial where the man in the meeting does this, but says, i went like this ands a the same thing as the woman. >> i think that women deal with that in the workplace on a daily basis. number two was i don't care how you spin it. nobody wins during a shutdown. i mean those are people's lives and jobs at stake. and the fact that donald trump wants to own that, it's not politically popular. >> yeah. >> the only thing that's less politically popular than a shutdown is the border wall. so i don't know how he wins in this, and i think that chuck and nancy got a win out of this. >> quick, ana. >> he wants to own it. donald trump wants to own it right now because it's about tough talk, and it's about bravado. but if in two weeks you're seeing government workers, you're seeing park rangers,