isn't. maybe it matters, the mueller probe to the presidency, maybe it doesn't. but the lying has to matter. >> yeah. >> and i lay it out example after example what it is. i keep her on task about it to the best i can. to the extent she varies, to the extent she redirects, it's all evidence of what they want to avoid. i think it's instructive to the american people. >> you know i don't want to beat you up. >> i know you don't think she should be on tv. i don't believe in silencing the other side. >> it's not silencing the other side. it is not a right for someone to come on cnn and lie and deflect. this was a defective -- >> people do it all the time. >> this was a histrionic display -- please, please, please. >> people do it all the time. >> at a time when the american people need to be reassured that we are in good hands when all of the evidence shows that the president is lying to the