others in that community who are going to demand other sorts of restrictionist policies that cut back on different kinds of legal immigration. so when you get both of the extremes into the mix, these kinds of deals tend to fall apart. unfortunately, i don't see any reason to think, despite senator graham's optimism this morning, i don't see any reason to think that would change. >> what about this thing, wesley, that the wall is not a wall, it's a metaphor? it's not really this construct. it's talking about all sorts of things, whether it's security, whether it's a fence, or whether it's perhaps legislation of some way? >> i think two things are true. the first is that, you know, there is something to be said for that. the president campaigned and was elected on a platform that was about securing the border broadly but also a platform that was about this feeling of who is american, who belongs here, and who does not and who potentially threatens the economy. there was some poetic license there. that said, this was one of the chief concrete promises of