with just one single tool. it's a comprehensive approach. so the wall is part of that. walls do -- walls and fences do have a benefit for law enforcement and for security. they define restricted areas. they deter and prevent criminal activity. i mean, listen, the white house, where i worked at for years, has a fence around it. but the secret service doesn't rely on that fence alone. they rely on human capital, uniform division officers, surveillance sensor. it's a comprehensive program. yes, the wall in some areas, where it's deemed necessary, it's a benefit, but overarchi overarchingly across the entire southern border, it has to be part of a more comprehensive program. >> always good to see you, thank you so much. hello again, everyone, thank you for being with me this saturday. 14 days and counting. that's how long the federal government has been partially