but it sure is about a large wall for people like matt drudge and ann coulter. some of the president's ardent supporters may think it's about a real wall which is why he's so dug in on a real wall. >> yeah, i mean, there's no question about it, that the wall has taken on a life of its own because, you know, in the eyes of some of his supporters, that means a hard-line on immigration. and they've convinced themselves of that. and by the way, at the same time, democrats have convinced themselves that a wall is a stand-in for racial demagoguery. and they can't be for that. and so that's what's happening here. look, as you guys know, the congress for years has appropriated hundreds of millions of dollars for fencing, for walls, for all kinds of border security. of course. it's just -- the issue is now caught up in the defining and animating politics that drive the two sides. a hard-line on immigration on