a fencing of some sort is needed also. >> sure. >> they have said that. 700 to 900 miles. i've said this. people have come -- there's people come to the country for two different purposes. they come here the wrong way for the right purpose. they come here the wrong way for the wrong purpose. we want to get rid of those people that came here the wrong way for the wrong purpose. the people who came here for the right purpose but the wrong way, they will pay their fine, they will get in the back of the line. they want to be productive, they want to be americans. we should have a pathway for that to happen. but the bottom line is if you throw the people out, you have to have a secured border or they keep coming back. we've got the same people coming back -- >> but you have to have the resources to process these people and make the process work. >> true. >> and make the rules clear and have a consistent policy. all we're hearing about is this wall. so it seems like this shutdown is just going to continue, joe. you don't see any way to -- >> chris, let me ask you this. would you support if you were