only those close to him can tell you where we might go from here, if at all. one of them is the ceo of newsmax, chris ruddy, friend of the show. always good to see him. happy new year. >> happy new year, chris. thanks for having me on. >> i don't really get what's going on here, this shutdown. we had a family on tonight. i wanted people to see who's bearing the price of our bad politics. this isn't a two-day shutdown. this is a long time. people working without pay. i don't get how this works for the president. help me understand. >> it's a very difficult situation, but let's -- you know, everybody talks about a national emergency. let's talk about a national disgrace. it's called congress. they have had 40 years to fix the border. >> fair point. >> every president has promised they're going to fix it. >> fair point. >> this is a president when he came in office he was told north korea will never come to the table. he brought them to the table. they're actually denuclearizing. >> that is not true.