you know, if you're looking at the polling data, americans want border security. the recent gallup -- >> i'm not talking about border security, i'm talking about him indulging this bigoted, anti-immigrant, far, far right aspect of your party that he's catering to with this shutdown. i'm not saying that border security makes you crazy. i think barriers make sense. i've talked to the people that keep us safe. i know what they need and i don't reject it. >> i think donald trump likes immigrants. his wife is an immigrant. >> but he wants to cancel the mechanism that allowed her to bring her parents into the country. you say what i'm saying? >> he wants legal immigration. he wants legal immigration and he wants a system that's proper. if you go to canada, australia, england, they have a best and brightest system. >> you can have whatever rules you want. you can have whatever rules you want, chris. i'm not against any rules or different changes of rules. i'm saying doing it this way with the shutdown doesn't make