justice. what does it say to you that mueller appears to view false or misleading statements to the public as obstruction of justice? >> well, first off, i'm a little curious where the information that that's the line that mueller is investigating is coming from because so much of our information, it comes from defense attorneys or it comes from white house legal counsel. i'm always a little bit skeptical as to where that's coming from in terms of when it's characterizing what the mueller investigation is doing. but assuming that they're looking, obviously, at obstruction, and that they're looking at public statements, i think those are fair game. you know, a lot of people think, oh, if someone is witness tampering, if they're trying to obstruct justice, that's something that has to take place in secret. i don't think there's necessarily has to be that case. the president did a lot of things in public. he tried to through his different tweets, his statements, pressured the attorney general. he pressured the deputy director. the deputy attorney general. he laid on so much pressure to each of these individuals who were in charge of the investigations that i would think it's a legitimate line of inquiry for the special counsel's office to be looking at that from the obstruction perspective. >> one more question for you before i move on to michael.