what trump said. i think almost everyone agrees and i think the president would agree border security involves a lot more than a wall. by the way, it doesn't just involve what you do at the border it involves what you do inside the border, which is another area where democrats are so out of touch with the american people. every major democratic city in the country, my hometown of chicago, boston, san francisco, los angeles, they're all sanctuary cities basically telling illegal immigrants come to san francisco, come to boston, come to chicago and what kind of border security is that? >> that whole issue is played out -- don't interrupt me, please. >> how do you defend the sanctuary cities? >> go ahead, joan. >> the real issue is that the shutdown is hurting our security, that we can't use e-verify of actual employers