true. >> keep it running. >> there is nothing perfectly normal discussing the testimony of a witness. there is nothing perfectly normal about a candidate's company with or without his knowledge chasing a lucrative business deal with the country interfering in that election. there is nothing normal about just about everything rudy guiliani has said over the past months and years about his client's behavior. while we don't know what it adds up to, none of it add up to normal. more watching the story unfolding is a member of the house committee, democrat jim hahn of connecticut. i spoke to him earlier. congressman, do you have any understanding of what rudy guiliani is doing here? is it possible there's actually some kind of strategy behind all this? >> anderson, i think there is. take a step back from the sort of latest crazy that you get from guiliani and this is, of course, into the new thing. what's happening here is if you