information that we separately know was gained through russian intelligence i think is a significant step forward. it doesn't finally prove the case one way or the other about what the president knew, when he knew it or whether or not he was personally involved in a conspiracy with the russians, but it moves it a step closer to his inner most cirque. >> do you think there still will be charges against someone on the idea of criminal conspiracy to defraud the government or broadly speaking a collusion charge? >> that's exactly the point of my hard work on a bipartisan basis to defend the mueller probe. i don't know. none of us knows for sure what robert mueller has uncovered and what he's going to be able to prove. but the president yshouldn't be allowed to interfere with that investigation or short change it. that's why i've reintroduced a ap bill to protect that probe and allow it to finish. >> do you j any theories about how many people tied newspaper this investigation, include people charged and convicted, people inside the white house, how many people have lied about russia over the last years? do you have any theories about