i think that initially at least he'll be successful in getting his campaign going down the trail if he does in fact jump in the race. i think it becomes tougher for him as the campaign goes along, and as he has to answer questions about his record as some of the other contenders, warren, harris, booker have started answering questions about their record. in terms of that meeting on amtrak this week which i thought had some nice photos come out of it, i agree with lynn. the issues don't divide democrats at this point as much as who is electable and who voters feel they can trust. you have a situation there -- >> and who they feel has the best chance of beating the incumbent president. that's the bottom line. >> the first couple of states, i expect biden to focus on iowa and new hampshire, senator harris is focusing on a southern strategy with a third primary in south carolina, and california, her home state, their primary