the people spoke. democrats swept into power in washingt washington. so when we talk about leverage, the republicans have very little leverage. it's clear to make this about i.c.e. beds but the public doesn't support the president on the wall, and the people have spoken. i think in the end, he will shoulder the blame. >> you know who is going to speak on it tonight in el paso? beto o'rourke. he's coming off his e-mail tour and now he's going to get on an issue he's passionate about. it's his backyard. this is an opportunity for beto o'rourke to get back in the game. >> when you're watching these dueling events, what are you looking for? the president going to el paso four days before this shutdown, i'm not sure that's going to help in the negotiations. >> i think that's right. we've seen the president do that before. have a big televised moment before or during these negotiations. yeah, i think the beto thing is going to be fascinating to