heads over what he said. it was clear he was not talking about -- at least when i saw the whole thing, that he was not talking about the president of the united states because the president of the united states is a different rule. it is someone -- you can't -- >> he did specifically say citizen of the united states, which makes me think he wasn't talking about the president. >> exactly. so he knows better than anyone if doj says we can't indict under their rules, and he follow the fbi rules of we don't put out this information, then the president could actually kill someone on -- well, maybe not kill someone on 5th afternoon, but try to kill someone. >> shoot someone as he said. >> exactly. so what i think you have to remember is there's also a public interest. doj and fbi will have a public interest exception that the democrats should demand, right? they did this in ferguson as some people are reporting today because the public interest was much higher than it is in a normal case. and then finally, remember this is -- i view the mueller document as a political document. the indictments are ongoing. the criminal side is already