leave of absence from that post and the vatican could do something even before the appeals process is finished with that part of it. the other thing that many victims call for is a church trial. victims were here this weekend. they said we are happy to see a civil trial for these cases. we also want to see the church trial because the penalty for the church is defrocking, d dismissal from the priestly state. that will have to be the van continue's next step if and when the appeal process is finished and brings back a guilty verdict. >> how likely is that, a church trial, that that would actually happen? >> reporter: well, i think at this point, poppy, if the appeals verdict matches this verdict, that is that he is guilty, that's got to be automatic. there is no way at this stage, you saw it with the case of cardinal in the united states. no way they can escape that at that point.
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