experience. i mean here was one of the most famous people in the world, a beloved entertainer who had brought them into the their confidence, brought them into his circle. and just the idea, and this is the word that most people have used, this is seduction. a seduction of the boys and of their families just in terms of what they were exposed to in this sort of magical landscape he laid out for them. >> this is the thing about jackson's musewreck, it just now seems so tainted. i mean, this is just a reminder of everything we heard at the time, whether it's the trials he went through and the allegations first brought up. but in some ways it just seems so much worse now because we've had this time to think about it and to process it. it just seems like it's difficult now for many people to listen to jackson's music. >> well, this is the interesting thing. the jackson estate as you stated has pushed back very hard against this documentary, and